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I cant believe this site!
April 28 2002 at 10:35 AM
Kat   (Login Kat2)
from IP address 193.237.133.130

I was just looking through www.horses.co.uk which is usually a gd site, but they have new piccies up and this 1 is rly rly rly making me angry! Not only is the woman not wearing a hat but she is SMOKING!!

http://www.horses.co.uk/images/4173.cgi?P=george&S=George&D=horses%2Fgeorge%2Fdaniella.sdb&B=grey&R=george-dayatdaniella

sorry if u need 2 copy and paste the links Im useles and putting them up.

How can a site post pictures of riders not only not wearing hats, but also not the right boots or other gear, and SMOKING WHILE RIDING!!!

Grrrr!! Ne1 else agree?

KAT xo
 
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Anonymous
(Login BUSKER)
62.252.64.6
Re: I cant believe this site!
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April 28 2002, 11:11 AM 

Oh my god! What kind of example is that!


 
Tiggerrrr
(Login Tiggerrrr)
195.93.34.176
Kat...
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April 28 2002, 11:14 AM 

I totally agree, how irresponsible! I think anyone that has common sense would know the consequences of riding and smoking and would not take the risk! I think its silly! As for the hat business, well if people want to risk their own lives by riding without a hat, then let them get on with it! At the end of the day the only person that could be killed or serverly injured is that person!

Tiggerrrr
 
Kat
(Login Kat2)
193.237.133.130
Thanks
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April 28 2002, 12:43 PM 

4 the rpy, I think ppl like that r completely irresponsible and stupid, there is a picture of a boy about 14yrs old riding without a hat! he has obv learnt from the adults on that yard! The woman also got on Nick;s horse who she didnt know without a hat which is completely daft!

Silly ppl!

KAT xo
 
jnet
(Login jnet)
213.208.116.137
Hmmmm........
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April 28 2002, 5:46 PM 
Kat
(Login Kat2)
193.237.133.130
Re: Hmmmm........
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April 28 2002, 5:54 PM 

Indead- the riding position is like she is on an armchair! she doesnt look at all bothered hauling the horse's mouth like that either....If I were that horse getting smoke in2 me, hauled at, ridden like that I would just throw her off and trample her Fag out lol!!

I swear some ppl think that they r indestructable!

Kat xo
 
Anonymous
(Login nickslat)
62.252.189.253
What do you expect!!
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April 28 2002, 6:33 PM 

Come on, why are you all getting so worked up? if you've looked at the site as a whole then why be surprised. It's hardly a site to visit time after time as one of your favorites. Its just a personal tribute to himself!

Why?.... I don't know. Why would anyone want a website about themself with apparantly no point to it what so ever!

Sorry, thats my view.
 
louise
(Login louise352)
62.64.213.9
Re: What do you expect!!
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April 28 2002, 9:09 PM 

Lol wot does that woman think she is doing??? She is riding with her legs forward, slumped, hauling her horse about, smoking, without a hat. Its really really terrible!!!!!
 
Kat
(Login Kat2)
193.237.133.130
Re: Re: What do you expect!!
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April 29 2002, 8:42 PM 

up
 
vivacia
(Login vivacia)
195.92.168.164
Re: I cant believe this site!
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April 28 2002, 9:56 PM 

er have to say i would die of embarasment if the world saw me riding like that. I just bet that the horse's muscles underneath the back of the saddle are sore from that position and whats with the routine use of the grackle?!

V
 
horsebabe
(Login horsebabe)
213.122.248.229
I agree
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April 28 2002, 9:58 PM 

If you ride like a sack of potatoes, why post a picture on the internet! I think this site sets a really bad example, with the lack of hats (and riding ability!) and smoking on horseback etc. Poor horses!
 

(Login davy1001)
195.92.67.67
On the beach
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April 28 2002, 9:58 PM 

Maybe it's a lollipop, in which case it could get stuck down her throat if she fell off
(-:
 

Baby
(Login babyblueeyesuk)
213.122.186.30
Re: On the beach
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April 29 2002, 10:16 AM 

Why has everyone got so worked up about this???

It's a site set up by a guy who owns horses so he can show his pics to other people. No different really i guess to my own bravenet photo center!

It's not like she's trying to set an impression is it? If she was in a magazine or something then yeah, get worked up, but she's not!

I'm sure we've all been caught in less than flattering positions before now! As for the smoking, well, no, it's not sensible, and it doesn't set a good example. But I bet I'm not the only person who posts on here who does!!
 
horsebabe
(Login horsebabe)
213.123.54.51
you're right!
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April 29 2002, 7:07 PM 

You're right, baby! I've changed my mind! It's not as though these people are claiming to be experts, or trying to set an example. They're just riding their horses. It's obviously irresponsible to right without a hat, or to smoke while riding, but we all do silly things.
 
Kat
(Login Kat2)
193.237.133.130
Re: you're right!
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April 29 2002, 8:50 PM 

I agree- Im not saying they should b out 2 set an example- but the woman riding actually owns that yard as far as I can tell, and there is a young boy riding with no hat in it either so she obv isnt setting a gd example all round! I dont think that she was just caught out in this photo, because in other pics she is riding the same way.
Ok so we all make mistakes Im not critising 4 that but 2 smoke on a horse isnt acceptable! I know ppl who ride and smoke but they dont combine the 2, they wouldnt endanger the horse like that!
Ne way, I feel sorry 4 the horse being hauled around like that, and as 4 the woman...I hope she is just caught off guard in the pic.

KAT xo
 

(Login Kat2)
193.237.133.130
more...
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April 30 2002, 9:41 PM 

I have found more on the website that is an example of how not 2 ride!!

http://www.horses.co.uk/images/4208.cgi?P=george&S=George&D=horses%2Fgeorge%2Fdaniella.sdb&B=grey&R=george-dayatdaniella

Poor horse! The woman wasnt caught of guard, or if she was it was on several occasions!

Some1 has mentioned it I know but wot is the deal with the use of the grackle? there is 1 woman there who is riding nicely and wearing a hat :
http://www.horses.co.uk/images/4168.cgi?P=george&S=George&D=horses%2Fgeorge%2Fdaniella.sdb&B=bloke&R=george-dayatdaniella

I hate the new photos- Nick (the guy who set it up) rly does take odd piccies lol

KAT xo
 
els
(Login ellie32)
213.122.216.184
Re: I cant believe this site!
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April 30 2002, 10:51 PM 

l know a doctor thats rides all the time without a hat,but she doesnt smoke and thinks smoking is a health risk!! lol.l smoke,and whilst riding,l doubt very much my horse will get smokers cough whilst being ridden by a smoker in the fresh air,l dont smoke in his face!!
not a very gud example l know,plus ridin position may not b gr8,but maybe comfy to her,l hope l look better in my position when l ride,but lm not a text book rider,l ride cos l enjoy it and am competent at it,and my horse is happy which is the main thing!!
 

(Login Nicola32)
193.237.37.214
No I don't agree with you Kat
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April 30 2002, 11:21 PM 

A. It is not a cigarette in her mouth, it is a lollipop.
B. The lady in question is "enjoying herself" not proving herself to be the best rider in the world, and let's face it, riding is supposed to be "fun".
c. Who really cares whether these people can ride, it is their website, they can post what they like and they do not have to be responsible human beings.

Although you may not agree with their way of riding or attitude, each to their own, it doesn't make them bad people...

Oh, and yes I often smoke whilst riding, it doesn't affect my horses, I have never burn't a horse or had a vet say that my horses have suffered. I never smoke around the yard so I don't endanger anyone in any way.

It is a free world and everyone is entitled to ride badly if they wish and they also DO NOT have to follow the rules (like wearing a hat) if they don't want to. How ever much a bad example they are setting, please remember they are very few and far between.

Enjoy..
 

(Login Nicola32)
193.237.37.214
No I don't agree with you Kat
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April 30 2002, 11:23 PM 

A. It is not a cigarette in her mouth, it is a lollipop.
B. The lady in question is "enjoying herself" not proving herself to be the best rider in the world, and let's face it, riding is supposed to be "fun".
c. Who really cares whether these people can ride, it is their website, they can post what they like and they do not have to be responsible human beings.

Although you may not agree with their way of riding or attitude, each to their own, it doesn't make them bad people...

Oh, and yes I often smoke whilst riding, it doesn't affect my horses, I have never burn't a horse or had a vet say that my horses have suffered. I never smoke around the yard so I don't endanger anyone in any way.

It is a free world and everyone is entitled to ride badly if they wish and they also DO NOT have to follow the rules (like wearing a hat) if they don't want to. How ever much a bad example they are setting, please remember they are very few and far between.

Enjoy..
 
Sue
(Login teddybear454)
80.225.56.105
Re: Re: I cant believe this site!
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May 1 2002, 12:20 AM 

I was quite pround of being able to make a roll up whilst riding, taught me one handed riding as well as one handed rolling up! My horse was always fascinated with tobacco and did his best to chew a bit too - I certainly don't see a problem in it - wouldn't smoke around a yard of course but not a lot of harm can come from a nice hack and a fag. ps non smoker these days as the new horse definitely requires the two-handed approach!!
 
James
(Login bugsey)
212.126.144.12
I don't give a Stuff about her not wearing a hat
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May 1 2002, 12:30 AM 

if she falls off - she's old enough to know better.

Any dumb schmuck who smokes on a horse though deserves to fall off. I guess if she lands on her head it won't do significant damage as she aint no brain!

Many years ago I worked in a race yard and a jockey exercising out dropped a cigarette butt which fell under the pommel (which he didn't realise) and caused an horrific burn on the horses back. I've since seen another 5 riders drop cigs on their horses though none with such a bad injury.

As for the guy who reckoned he could roll cigarettes with one hand whilst riding - suggest he too may prefer to ride without a hat and preferably also without a horse - selfish pig!
 
Anonymous
(Login sleepy2)
193.133.109.84
Re: I don't give a Stuff about her not wearing a hat
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May 1 2002, 8:56 AM 

whats the fuss about - agreed not wearing a hat is stupid, but I bet we HAVE all done it, at one time or another. I don't agree with smoking on a horse, but who are we to preach. The horses look in good condition and relaxed, and I bet we don't all ride correctly all the time.. As someone has already said. Riding should be fun. We shouldn't have to worry about being slagged off by people just because we don't comform to the expectations.
 
hen
(Login Henshaw)
193.248.136.140
how unpleasant!
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May 1 2002, 9:07 AM 

....I think calling someone a selfish pig on a message board, shows far less correctness than smoking a fag, or wearing no hat on a horse!!
Come on, ease up a bit, I havent looked a the offending site, but I'm sure that there a plenty that are MORE offensive/cruel/ignorant/ if you look for them, and it wasnt an instruction manual was it?
Why dont you visit ILPH, HAPPA IFAW or similar, open your eyes and maybe contribute to changing some of the atrocities!

As someone else here said, dont judge others unless you yourself are faultless....and if you really are faultless....what are you doing on this earth?


 
hen
(Login Henshaw)
193.248.136.140
Curiosity won over
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May 1 2002, 9:14 AM 

...just looked at this site to see what all the fuss is about. Just what exactly are you concerned about, is it the horses welfare or base snobbery? OK it mightnt be "correct" in your eyes but no one seems to be suffering...the horses are immaculate, and it is on the beach for crissakes....
 
james
(Login bugsey)
212.126.144.12
The reason why the rider is selfish
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May 1 2002, 9:41 AM 

is that there is no thought or consideration for the horse - and o.k. some people mutilate and beat horses in other ways - and I don't need to look at a web site to know that as I have from time to time cared for screwed up and damanged recovering horses on behalf of the ILPH.

Cigarette ends do drop off cigarettes and personally I don't give a stuff about the hat or the attire - I've NEVER been a riding snob but smoking on the back of a horse shows no awareness at all about possible consequences and risks to the horse.

If a rider wants a cig they just have to get off the horse! If they don't they are ignorant and selfish.
 
Gail
(Login Gail56)
213.1.45.2
What a judgemental lot....
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May 1 2002, 10:42 AM 

you all are. The horses look nice, well balanced and happy. The riders are having fun riding along the beach on a relaxing hack. I've been riding for nearly 60 years (yes, I'm very old!!), and when I learnt aged 5 we were just slung on board with a pressed cardboard hat which hardly fitted, and taken out on the lead rein until we could sit safely at canter, after which it was up to us to stay on. I learnt by scrambling on and off ponies and horses of all sorts, riding bareback (often without a hat), and generally "playing" with ponies, as well as being taught correct seat, leg aids, etc. You can have all the safety equipment in the world but it doesn't give you a safe seat. And it isn't always important to be sitting correctly with the horse in an outline, and so on. Riding is about having fun, for rider and horse. So get off your high horses, you lot, and chill!
 
James
(Login bugsey)
212.126.144.12
I'm also an old g**!!
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May 1 2002, 11:11 AM 

Though Gail I am a novice compared to you with as I only have 48 years riding experience. My first experiences were hatless rounding sheep on the farm with ponies. However I've grown up now, got experience and knowledge and awareness of risks and hazards.

It may well be judgemental to say what you think regarding smoking on horses but I'll stand by what I said. In the same way I use my judgement (born from experience, knowledge and understanding) and tell customers how they should manage other activities with their horses. Indeed I'm paid for this.

Got to say I've also ticked off people (young and really really old!) out hunting with cigs hanging out whilst on horseback. I would NEVER let anyone ride a horse of mine whilst smoking.

I don't care what they do off the horse but as far as I'm concerned we old g**s should encourage good behaviour and practice and when aware of a possibility of doing something that can injure or do harm to a horse ALWAYS use our judgement and get off the fence and say what we think and know.


 

Anonymous
(Login babyblueeyesuk)
213.122.89.179
Re: What a judgemental lot....
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May 1 2002, 11:12 AM 

OK, am I looking at like totally different pictures to you lot cos in the ones I have looked at they are most definately in a sand school not on the beach!! In fact, if you go to the main page for that set of photos it tells you all about how they have gone to visit a friend at her yard!


 

(Login PaulaAC)
213.1.165.181
If hits were pounds
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May 1 2002, 11:09 AM 

If hits were pounds I guess this guy would have made a lot of money out of all the hits this comment has caused.



Paula Clements
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hen
(Login Henshaw)
80.9.86.157
Judgemental lot!
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May 1 2002, 12:57 PM 

I agree with you Gail ...Ive been around since those days too!

And regards the smoking thing, I think you'll find that unless you stub a cigarette purposely out on a horses coat, the ash or dropped cigarette which might fall in a crisis wouldnt actually burn through the coat to cause any damage! And you can do that as easily from the ground...I havent tested this though of course! And as for the smoking out hunting.....no dont get me on the hunting thing....character assassination and all that!
I still think its the beach, but if it is a school what point are you making?

 
hen
(Login Henshaw)
80.9.86.157
for James
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May 1 2002, 1:08 PM 

...really James do you teach people to call each other selfish pig? I dont think that is adult or good behaviour and is not setting a good example! I agree us older and life experienced riders ought to speak out if we see danger, ingorance or folly, but theres no need to take life so seriously is there? Go for a gallop and lighten up!
 

(Login jack21)
217.34.230.121
How awful
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May 1 2002, 2:00 PM 

Yes I know that the guy's website is available for public opinion but I would be absolutely gutted to read this thread if it was my site you were all talking about.

Can you lot on here ever stop picking on each other and outsiders?

Jack
 
Anonymous
(Login GingerLoon)
47.211.0.13
Re: How awful
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May 1 2002, 3:03 PM 

I've read through this post and I have to admit, there are a few dodgy riding positions and I have to wonder about the safety of riding with either a cigarette or lollipop in your mouth. but I wonder if there is some jealousy amongst some posters here as the yard and facilities look fantastic and so do the horses. Quite jealous myself actually
 

(Login Nicky32)
193.237.37.214
I cannot quite believe some people...
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May 1 2002, 3:37 PM 

James,

I am absolutely appalled by your attitude. Who on earth do you think you are to call people selfish and ignorant????

And also why do you not READ the threads prior to your disgusting replies and accusations.

Sue is a woman's name, and SHE posted the message about rolling a fag whilst riding.

I smoke whilst I ride. I am neither ignorant or selfish.

I would suggest you are the ignorant one, posting in such an offensive manner. With regards to hunting I may have an opinion on that, but I don't come on here calling you ignorant and selfish do I?

Who the hell do you think you are???? I suggest you go out and get a life.
 

Anonymous
(Login babyblueeyesuk)
213.123.48.53
Re: I cannot quite believe some people...
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May 1 2002, 4:28 PM 

Hi Hen,
No point, was just wondering if I was looking at the same photos as a few people had mentioned the beach but the ones i was looking at were in a school!
Thinking out loud - or thinking in type!
 
Clipper
(Login Clipper2)
217.34.230.121
riding and smoking
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May 1 2002, 4:42 PM 

cant comment on the pics coz havent seen em but from experience i think that some riders can be ignorant and stupid by smoking and riding. ok i dont smoke but i remember years ago when i kept my horse on a diy yard i used to ride with a couple of other girls one of them smoked all the way round the hack she would smoke on really hot summers days and leave her burning fag in the dried out bushes, if things ever got hairy when she was smoking she wouldnt let go of the fag irrespective of her huge 17hh tb prancing around the road or path ohhhh noooo fag stayed put, made me cringe and yes i thort she was ignorant and selfish waht if she had burnt the horse?
 
gemma
(Login gemr)
195.92.6.207
i agree...
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May 1 2002, 4:47 PM 

with kat. I think the position looks very uncomfortable for the horse and the smoking is dangerous and looks sloppy. i dont think its a lolly pop coz its to thick to be. I e-mailed nick to see if we can get any feed back! As with all the heated exchanges, everyone has a right to their own opinion and we would all do well to remember that.
 

Victoria Evans
(Login Ludacriss)
62.6.91.198
Re: i agree...
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May 1 2002, 6:50 PM 

Guilty of all three crimes.
blablabla.....
Vik
 

(Login HJC)
213.122.117.224
Re: Re: i agree...
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May 1 2002, 8:16 PM 

This woman's position is NOT good in my opinion, she is smoking(definatley not sucking a lollipop in my opinion)and she is not wearing a hat......BUT....the horses look perfectly happy to me.
 
Kat
(Login Kat2)
193.237.133.130
OK..
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May 1 2002, 9:26 PM 

Ok I was just saying my opinion I didnt expect 2 b called judgemental!

Ok so no Im not perfect but I certainly never go round smoking on a horse (I never smoke although Im 15 and have more sense than 2 waste my life on fags but thats another sotry altogether) and 2 me the horses look immaculate but I never judge a horse's happiness on how clean it is- ok so its looked after physcially but wot about mentally? they might have not been out in a field in yrs if they r immaculate. I aint saying those horses havent been turned out I dont know that but it could b the case.

As 4 her riding position- yes she is just having fun but wot about her horse? im sure the poor thing will have sore muslces after that riding position! Riding is supposed 2 b fun but if she is riding horses that r obv either strong or she just likes grackles, then she should at least attempt 2 sit up straight. The piccie of the woman jumping her grey horse is awful she is hauling right back on its mouth and looks more busy posing 4 the cammera.

The horses dont all look happy.

Just my opinion so plz I dont wanna b called judgemental!!!!!!

KAT xo
 
star
(Login starflower2002)
194.117.133.118
Totally agree with you Kaz
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May 2 2002, 7:49 AM 

It looks to me like these people are more interested in try to look cool. It's definitely a cigarette, too thick to be a lollipop.

I can't believe the riding position, her stirrups are far too short, and legs are too far forward. Her hands are way too high above the horse's neck. I'm only a novice but I can see these things quite obviously. I hate to think what an instructor might say.

Had a look through the rest of the site and it all seems pretty much the same. There are some photos of this man with a young child on the horse at the same time and they are still not wearing hats. And they are bare-back!!! It's much easier to fall off when you are bare-back.

Silly people in my opinion.
 
hen
(Login Henshaw)
193.248.226.140
Oh Kat!
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May 2 2002, 8:02 AM 

Sorry darlin' but your last message IS even more judgemental! Think about it, would you like someone to critiscise what you wear, what you ride like, how you speak, what colour you are, just because they dont agree?
And how on earth can you make comments on the mental well being of the horses, that really is reading too much into things!!
Be careful that you dont grow up with blinkers on, theres a lot of different types of people out there and you will soon find that you have to try to get on with ALL of them.
 
Kat
(Login Kat2)
193.237.133.130
grrrr
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May 2 2002, 8:23 PM 

Look- plz- I didnt judge them because they r dressed a certain way or because of ne thing apart from the fact 2 me it looks like she is putting her horse's welfare at stake by:
1) riding like a sack of potatoes
2) hauling on her horse's mouth
3) having a fag in her gob which could injure either her or the horse if she should fall
4) wearing no hat

AND I didnt say that her horse's mental state was questionable, I said that it MIGHT b the case that her horse's havent been turned out but I also said that would b assuming and reading 2 deep in2 it, I was just backing up my point that i dont judge a horse on how clean it is.

Hen- I rly didnt like u implying that I was as bad as some of the, say racist, ppl out there and go round juding ppl on things the cant help because that ISNT wot Im saying, she can help riding that way perfectly well, she just seems 2 have decided not 2.

Ok so the woman looks 2 b enjoying herself but there r 2 creatures involved in riding- a human AND a horse so the happiness of BOTH needs 2 b accounted 4. Thats all Im saying and NO I dont go round judging ppl Ihave a right 2 my opinion and so do u but I am NOT!!!! slaggin her off 4 the way she dresses, how she speaks or the colour she is so plz dont imply I am!

KAT


 
Anonymous
(Login pink_pony)
195.92.168.167
Re: grrrr
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May 2 2002, 9:21 PM 

I agree with James, it makes me so mad when i see anyone doing anything like this (riding without hat, smoking whilst riding).+ you can not say you are not selfish by smoking whilst riding- You do not even deserve to have a horse. Yes i am being judgemental, and there is no way you can say doing these things are right.

 


(Login Loopy_luc)
195.92.194.17
Re: grrrr
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May 2 2002, 9:24 PM 

ok ok ok god people, calm down!! I mean, do you enjoy slagging other people off, I mean you do it an awful lot on this site, just because you dont agree blah blah blah.......deary me!
 
Nick Beitner
(Login horses.co.uk)
212.187.249.254
Re: I cant believe this site!
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May 2 2002, 10:12 PM 

What a fantastic amount of hostility! I haven't seen so much self-righteous indignation in years, but then maybe that is because I have extracted myself from childish groups of petty individuals who have nothing better to do on the Net than bitch about other people and find fault in everything other than themselves (of course, I doubt that there are any here).

Maybe I overreact ...

I speak in general as I am answering the negativity of this thread from a few simple minded, even blinkered people (I would imaging) and NOT those people who are making balanced comments. I recognise that there are a significant number of normal (and I am sure very nice) and reasonable people (who I probably would like in real life) here and I don't wish to implicate you in my rant. Please feel free to include or exclude yourself from my criticism as you see fit. I appreciate the balanced side of the discussion. The rest of you, I hope your are old enough to understand!

First, thanks to the person who chose to notify me of this public attack on me, my site and some of the people I have taken pictures of. I suppose it is typical of the "Horsey" stereotype to rant and bitch about people they don't know and haven't me, are ill informed, and do so behind their back. Maybe I would have enjoyed to take part in a balanced well articulated discussion. Its a shame, the debate is actually very interesting - I don't think there are right or wrong answers, the pity is that the expression is less impressive, but then I guess they let anyone have a computer these days.

To answer why anyone would present such as site, I try to answer thus. Amongst being a hippophile (http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0006506.html) and a techie geek, I also seem to enjoy capturing moments on film or its digital equivalent.

In the early days of the Internet '96, I decided to learn about the web and its multimedia possibilities, and created a small site with the few pictures I had scanned in. Aside from the technical challenge it was a form of expressionism and creativity. (Which even now people in this group, in their own way, are exhibiting albeit in a disappointingly negative way.)

I was surprised by the growth in traffic to the site and the positive feedback I was getting. Since then, my site has become a passion of mine. I find it hard to explain why other than it is a progressive desire fuelled by my love of my horses and wanting to capture it as a tribute to the horses that have graced me with their tollerance, for myself and others who are interested. Over time the testaments of interest an gratitude have been overwhelming. They come from people who miss their horses while at university, to people who have lost touch with horses, to people who are no longer able to experience the day to day pleasures of horses, to people who ride every day but miss their horses when at work, to people who are interested in equine diversity outside their day to day regime. To the disabled, some of which are even blind and merely enjoy (for reasons that can only be completely clear to them) reading the stories I have had time to write. To kids who want to use the pictures as they play sim horse games on the Internet. To people who lead a narrow existence with their horses and never thought to expand their or their horses mind. It is a colourful chronicle of all those things good and bad, happy and sad I have been lucky enough to experience. Having a site like this is a rewarding experience all of its own.

Be rest assured, when it is time to put Bert down (http://www.horses.co.uk/horses/bertie/badnews.html) that along with everything, however painful it is for me, and tasteless it may appear to be, I will capture the moment and publish it ... this can be a debate for another thread, for myself it is a hard question with many sides ... I am sure there are a few here who could make a snap judgmental decision on its merits. Over the years, there are a number of events I didn't capture, good and bad, and I regret the loss bitterly ... of memories and experiences lost and almost forgotten.

This site means so much to me personally and so many 1000's of people around the world. Most of them don't find reason to criticise and in fact are grateful that someone bothers to try and capture the pleasures and variety of horses for others to share ... but you* only see it as an extrovert attempt to publicise oneself. (*You know who you are.)

The Horses site does almost a million pages a month (without the aid of this group, although I would like a pound for each impression!). It has about 30,000 unique visitors a month and people still visit my site who first visited 5 years ago. I often feel guilty when I get the occasional email asking what happened to Bert or why there are no new pictures.

Just like people who don't understand horses and can't understand our passion for them, I can never properly explain the meaning of this site to you. For it is a sensation that motivates me, and a far from selfish one at that, and hard to explain. It says a lot about you as a person in how you choose to interpret it. My sorrow for you* (see above).

My site is not a statement of a certain demographic's beliefs of the right way to ride. I do not dictate to people how they should ride. This site does not purport to be the de facto standard for the "acceptable" way ride. It merely captures what I see, generally people at one and sharing with their horses, and tries to make it pleasant for other people to enjoy. It is a view of life.

I don't advocate that it is right to let your horses graze loose at the side of the road, which I do (although I don't trust them enough to let them do it unsupervised). http://www.horses.co.uk/horses/bertiengeorge/ Admittedly it's not a very main road ... but that would be foolish? Sometimes they test me, but I doubt they will run off, if they do, remember, make a noise like a carrot! But its part of developing me and my horses and the relationships there in. I do it because it appears I can and that to a degree, I think that I have most issues covered. In all the apparent irresponsibility, I see another side.

What's good for the rider? If you want to be truly safe, don't get on a horse ... better still don't get born (This too has other merits for some.).
What's good for the horse ... if you ask they might say leave me alone to roam the open plains (Debate for new thread.).

Pat Parelli (http://www.parelli.com//) ... has a view of horses which is very different from that of the established masses ... I can't say I will abandon my ways to follow his ... but he has a point about the blind traditionalism of established "normal". To be honest, I think his criticisms are justified, for many of my few successes stem from a form of interaction that has an implicit reflection of his philosophy ... the difference is he understands and lives by it ... for me its just a partial accident of day to day playing with my horses. (Debate for new thread.) P.S. And he doesn't wear a hat (well a cowboy hat he does sometime ...) and he jumps cross country bareback in a lead rope ... don't try this at home kids! ... but I might. Myself I think of myself as an average rider who loves his horses, I often feel sorry for forcing them to endure my clumsy hands ... but each day I try my best to do my best by them. Every now and again they tell me off, but mostly they appear happy with their lot in life. And in so doing make me a very happy subject of theirs.

For those who look to find fault in others and express it so bitterly ... I wonder what faults you yourselves have. Just by the nature of your tone, I wouldn't let you even touch my horses however much you have or think you have achieved. Image on a horse is not everything. Apart from the fact that I happen to know that the person you discuss is highly capable on a horse. Her horses are happy ... a priority that is number one, the fact that she wears no hat or chooses to smoke is a personal choice. And not a statement of what one should do. I know her to be very knowledgeable about horses and her successes qualify my respect for her. I would gladly give up my horses the burden of having to have me ride them to have someone of her calibre ride them. The reality is that the rider you so criticise is in the top 40 best show jumpers in the UK. She chooses not to ride a hat when she doesn't have to, probably because she doesn't need to. It is her choice. It is not a statement!

Having spoken to her with regards to he sloppy riding, she has suggested that anyone who feels they are so qualified to express an opinion in such a questionable fashion on this matter should send me a picture for her to comment on. The point on the grackle: "The grackle nose band only stops the horse opening its mouth, there is nothing severe about it and is more of a fashionable thing unless its on so tight the horse cannot move." which as you can see in the picture (for those who can tell a lollypop from a cigarette) it is not. Her final contribution on this topic is "I believe horses should have their own free spirit and not do serious work every day which is why they win...".

That day at her yard was the most fun I have had for a while, the day out was fun for me and my horses, and I have to say that G & R enjoyed the attentions of the kids ... but especially the nice sand school for rolling it ... It was a fun and relaxed day out, with friends, playing with the horses ... those who can't see it for that ... well ... maybe you should open your eyes.

For those of you who bother to read the site will see that I have had the privilege to ride with fine equestriennes such as "Denis Morand" - Badminton Event rider, John
Whitaker and even Lucinda Green. All of which have a fantastic relationships and attitudes to their horses. I dare not speak on their behalf, however I feel there is a big difference between how there are in a natural state with their horses and that in which the have to be perceived as doing the "Right thing." for the "Good of the public". Does that make them bad people ... doing it wrong? Or just people who enjoy their sport and pleasure doing it their way?

The fact that I choose to show the world the things I see, many of which I (and others) find interesting is business for me and those people who get pleasure in the pictures. The site is partial recollection of the world, don't jump down my throat because you don't agree with what you see. Think of it as art ... to many its a captured moment of a normal and happy interaction with horse and rider ... to some its a picture of a woman riding badly without a hat and a fag in her mouth. In as much as art is concerned, I love the many pictures horses. I never tire of them. Bert's face tells 1000 stories and each one if fascinating (Feed me, I am hungry, More food are a few of his favorites).

With regard for hats, there are three sorts of people who don't wear a hat.

1) Those who don't know better.
2) Those who understand the risk and choose not to.
3) Those who have never been indoctrinated and given it a second thought.

We have rules about wearing hats ... those usually apply because limiting risk is perceived as being good but most often because insurance or delegated responsibility necessitates it.

Think that you don't need to wear a hat ... maybe not ... only time will tell. Everyone would be wise to wear a hat ... should you have to? ... No. Its a judgement thing, where do you draw your line. Want safety, don't ride. I know a guy who broke his leg doing dressage, the hat didn't help him and it took over a year to recover from the injury.

Does that make me or my site or the people on it objectionable? I think not, just the people who spout off so vehemently.

I have to laugh sometimes, there is nothing more paradoxical than a horse rider hooting at me from a car on the road for not wearing a hat.

In Argentina, hardly anyone wears a hat in the working polo environment. I promise that the riding they do is more challenging than what most riders here are likely to have experienced and they are none the worse off ... they fall off too (and you have to laugh sometimes - and I am sure that sometimes you need to call the doctor too) ... in a way I think they are better horse people for it ... does that mean I advocate riding without a hat ... NO, but I respect it, and it happens to be a choice of mine too. I have a hard time sympathising with their treatment of horses, but they are often better riders than I will ever be and their horses look and go beautifully ... and for that I respect them. (New thread topic again.)

One of the contributors on this list commented about their experiences of learning to ride bareback and hatless. Playing with horses is the best way to learn. I can't disagree.

One of my favorite of all experiences (and how I miss it ... with a bitterness you can only imagine), was to ride Bert bareback. I used to hack out, yes - "shriek", on the roads and common, hatless and saddleless (but alas no fag in mouth). The most liberating experience was galloping on the common with nothi